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Saturday, January 7, 2012

Vol 08 No 02 Liberty ViewsLetter 01-07-2012

Vol 08 No 02 Liberty ViewsLetter 01-07-2012
Eighth Year, Issue 309
The announcement of a new Liberty ViewsLetter goes to 602 up 14 subscribers

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Managing Editor Chuck McGlawn
Contributing Editors
Walter Clark/Paula Clark
Tom Caldwell (Element Dividers)
Chuck McGlawn

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Congratulations, if you are reading this you have successfully responded to and navigated your way to the second issue of our new Liberty Views Website. The format will be much the same as before. Our major sections will be  LibertyViews Where we present an abbreviation or Quotes From Commentaries from reliable sources with links to the FULL ARTICLE. Starting with the lead article, that we call Your Must Read for the Week. The NewsViews where we will present an abbreviation or Quotes From Liberty significant news articles from very diverse sources with links to the FULL ARTICLE. We will also continue to include  ChallengeViews, WordViews, ReaderViews,  AnnounceViews and Audio/VideoViews. There is another element, least important but most demanding, that being called PersonalViews. Each element is separated by a joke, a quote or some interesting trivia. Please Read on…


Your Must Read For The Week  The Bright Side of Ron Paul's Third-Place Finish in Iowa By Matt Welch
Reason magazine Editor in Chief Matt Welch says Rep. Ron Paul has seven reasons to be happy with his third-place finish in Iowa:
1) Paul more than doubled his vote over 2008, while Mitt Romney's stayed exactly the same. Seriously, Romney got 30,000 votes (25 percent of the total) in 2008, then 30,000 votes (25 percent of the total) in 2012. Paul vaulted from 10 percent to 21, from 12,000 votes to 26,000. His message of freedom, limited government, attacking the Federal Reserve, and ending wars foreign and domestic is undeniably on the grow.
2) Paul's delegate- and caucus-focused strategy means that he will likely punch above his electoral weight. The campaign focused not just on doing well at the caucus, but making sure Paul-friendly humans get nominated as county delegates, so that when the 25-delegate pie is eventually divvied up Dr. No will get more than projected. Paul has a nationwide focus on caucus states, which are more susceptible to concerted applications of supporter enthusiasm.
I invite, encourage, entice, influence, pressure, persuade, cajole, coax, plead, request can I demand? Or would a threat of bodily harm move you to read FULL ARTICLE at This is NECESSARY INFORNATION, making it a MUST READ. GET THE FACTS CONTAINED IMPRINTED ON YOUR MIND. THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND AND BE READY TO PRESENT COGENT INFORMATION ABOUT WHY RON PAUL MUST BE YOUR FIRST CHOICE. READ THE FULL ARTICLE and then FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE ON YOUR E-MAILLIST.
PersonalViews  I like Ron Paul, butby Chuck McGlawn 01/04/2012
This is a propaganda tactic dating back to at least to the loss by Robert Taft in 1952.  You have already heard it. It was everywhere last week. You are going to hear it a lot more as the campaign gets more contentious.

Open your eyes to what is happening. The POWER of the Anti-Liberty movement is lashing out with all deliberate FORCE. [I put force in uppercase to remind you that the Liberty Movement spurns the use of force in all but defensive actions.] The opposition  will be forced to expose their anti-liberty agenda with their actions. You are witnessing the exposure of the “Advocates of Freedom”. I am not talking about The Advocates of Liberty. (Read about the difference at

You would expect liberal Democrats to oppose the message of Liberty delivered by Ron Paul. You are probably immune to their protestations, and ignore them as you toss them aside. It is the Conservative Republicans that are weaving this message into our sub-consciousness. We touched on the concept a bit last week when we said, “

It is as if the dinner bell rang and everyone came to the “Anybody but Ron Paul” table. Republicans, Conservatives, Democrats (some of them were already at the table, but many moved from the “Anyone but a Republican table”. They are all banging the knives and forks on the table to the  “Get Ron Paul” rant.

Some of the surprise attendees at the table is the entire on air talent at KRLA “Intelligent Conservative Radio” 870 on your LA/OC radio dial. They include, (I have not listened to them all) Glenn Beck, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved,  Huge Hewitt, and Dennis Miller. [Add to that group Hanity, Limbaugh, O’Riley etc.] (All because of his stand on Foreign Policy) [Read that as his Anti-Military Industrial Complex stand.]

With Ron Paul’s Strategic Victory in Iowa, it is likely the vitriol against Ron Paul will intensify. Expect the message to morph from, “Ron Paul cannot win.” Into, Ron Paul cannot beat Obama. Do not buy it. It is a political attempt to get you to choose anyone other than Ron Paul. You know, the lesser of two evils ploy.

Look at what happened, and then project it forward. Ron Paul spent his time in Iowa delivering his message, as he always does, and spent his money in Iowa on anti-Gingrich TV ads. (In my view, Gingrich is Ron Paul’s only real competition.) Gingrich dropped nine points from 23% down to 14%., largely from the Paul and Romney TV ads, and Gingrich wound up in 4th place with 13% of the vote.

Mitt Romney is an empty suit, and he did what all empty suits do smile, shake hands, be positive and act presidential for the large crowds put together by his sizeable, highly paid campaign staff, and he also paid for anti-Gingrich TV ads.

Newt Gingrich, spent all of his time and money defending himself by saying, “Poor me, I am the victim of negative TV ad campaigning.” He was unable to present his formidable message. However, do not dismiss Gingrich. He is a campaigner, with an intelligent sellable message, and is the second choice after Romney by the establishment Republicans.

Rick Santorum  went forth and delivered his social conservative message to a population that has more evangelical Christian, social conservatives than any State in the Union. The press has not filleted Santorum [and Romney]. He was winning votes at every stop, and in the last week I think he covered all 99 counties twice. If the caucus had been just one day later, Santorum would have beat Romney.

The other three also ran’s were just that, “Also Ran’s”.

If anyone other than Hunt, or Gingrich had pulled out of the race the on Monday the 2nd, Romney’s eight votes would not have been there to put him in the Winner’s Circle. For instance, if Bachmann, with 5% of the vote, had pulled out on Monday, several things would have happened: there would have been a small drop in the overall turn-out, Ron Paul’s vote count would gone up some.  (Probably changing nothing) A larger number of her votes would have gone to Perry, (changing nothing) The largest number of her votes would have gone to Santorum, and he would have won in Iowa. Romney would have come in 2nd. This would have put Romney #2 somewhere between 300 to 800 votes ahead of Ron Paul.

However, (stay with me here) If Perry, with 10% of the vote, had dropped out on Monday, the same dynamic would have worked its way through the results. But, Ron Paul would have gotten more of the Perry votes, and it is not outside the realm of possibility that it could have pushed Romney into 3rd place behind Paul.

What a difference a day makes, Think about it, if both Bachmann and Perry had dropped out on Monday Ron Paul would have finished in first place, Santorum #2 and Romney a very disappointing 3rd place, hurting his chances in New Hampshire.

Santorum will get a lion’s share of the Bachmann and Perry votes. But it would not help Santorum in New Hampshire. Bach and Santorum poll poorly in New Hampshire. Additionally, as of today Santorum does not have the money or organization to maintain his momentum through South Carolina, even though South Carolina is another one of the more evangelical Christian, social conservatives States. Even if he gets the money and organization he will be playing catch up in South Carolina and beyond. And, he is not even going to be on the ballot in Virginia. Therefore, if Ron Paul and Gingrich do more anti-Romney TV ads in New Hampshire Romney could be dead or severely wounded even before South Carolina. Toss into this mix that Romney’s negatives because of his Mormonism hurt him in South Carolina.

This is where you come in, hopefully with your checkbook in hand. I have waited forty-four years to say… (From the first time I voted in 1968 (age 29) for George Wallace until 2008 when I voted for Bob Barr) MY CANDIDATE RON PAUL HAS A CHANCE, A REAL CHANCE TO WIN. I have always worked hard for my candidate, but I rarely donated money, and I rarely tried to raise campaign funds. But that has all changed, because for the first time MY CANDIDATE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN.

For the first time the advocates if Liberty are in the driver’s seat. If Ron Paul can, with your financial help, knock Romney of off the #1 position in New Hampshire. The big government conservatives will have to play catch-up. And will have to spend two to three dollars maybe even four dollars to every one that Ron Paul spends. This means every dollar you send Ron Paul, the opposition may have to spend as much as four dollars, just to keep up. For every five dollars, you send to Ron Paul the opposition must spend as much as twenty dollars to keep up.

Gentle reader, now is the time to dig deep and dig often. Send Ron Paul a stream of One Hundred Dollar checks. Occasionally send Ron Paul a big one for $500.00. That will cause the opposition to have to spend $2,000.00 to keep-up. And, before this is all over, send one of those $1,000.00 checks. (I know it is mind boggling. But we stand at the crossroads. It could well be now or never.) Just think how good it will make you feel to know the opposition must spend $4,000.000 to keep up with you.

This brings me back to where we started in this PersonalView. Here is my suggestion, Join the Four To One Club. Every time you hear some political pundit (read that as propagandist) say, “Ron Paul cannot win” get out that check book and send a $5.00 check to Ron Paul for President 2012. Every time you hear, “Ron Paul cannot beat Obama” (This well be your signal that Liberty is even closer.), get out that checkbook and send a $10.00 Check to Ron Paul for President 2012.

If you do this, the opposition will not know what hit them. Every time they up the “Ron Paul Can’t Win and Ron Paul Can’t Beat Obama” campaign Ron Paul gets more money.

Last warning please do not let the opposition dissuade you with the Propaganda tool that, “Ron Paul Cannot win”, and “Ron Paul cannot beat Obama.”  And lastly, do not talk yourself into the belief that Ron Paul cannot win or cannot beat Obama. To cure that negative thinking, every time YOU THINK, “Ron Paul Cannot win”, send a $10.00 check to Ron Paul. Every time YOU THINK, “Ron Paul cannot beat Obama”, send a $20.00 check to Ron Paul.      Ron Paul for president 2012.
More than half of the coastline of the entire United States is in Alaska .
The Amazon rainforest produces more than 20% the world's oxygen supply.
ChallengeViews  A military collector was shopping with a friend when they found the following Medal:
To Captain Hendry
for Bravery, Leadership and Daring.
During WWI
from the Troops of the 8th Battalion.
The friend said. “Do not buy it, it is a fake.” How did the friend know it was a fake?  Justify your answer. Chuck Coker was first with: Before 1939, they would not have known that a second world war was coming in the future and would not have referred to the previous one with the number 1 at the end. Before 1939, WWI was called the Great War.
This Week’s Challenge. There is a eight letter word that means a collection of tunes. Make that word singular and you get a girls name. Remove the last two letters of the girls name and you get (phonetically) a word that means calm. Remove the last letter and you get a man’s name. Remove the last letter and you get a personal pronoun. Remove the last letter, and triple what is left and you get the sound you make when soup is good. Send your answer to . Answer posted next week.
The Amazon River pushes so much water into the Atlantic Ocean that, more than one hundred miles at sea off the mouth of the river, one can dip fresh water out of the ocean.  The volume of water in the Amazon river is greater than the next eight largest rivers in the world combined and three times the flow of all rivers in the United States .
ReaderViews This feature my go defunct with the built in “Comment” section.

Antarctica is the only land on our planet that is not owned by any country.

Brazil got its name from the nut, not the other way around.
Ron Paul and the future of American foreign policy by Justin Raimondo "Rabinowitz and McQuaid and the rest of the hate-mongers, who come up with a fresh Enemy every time we knock off the old one, or tire of the  task, know who their real enemy is -- and it isn't the President of Iran, or the Communist Party of China. It's those patriotic Americans  who believe we ought to be putting the interests of Americans first -- and that the empire is an albatross hung around our necks." (12/30/11)
[You will want to read this to better understand why Ron Paul is in the cross hairs of virtually EVERONE.] Read it at
Ninety percent of the world's ice covers Antarctica . This ice also represents seventy  percent of all the fresh water in the world. As strange as it sounds, however, Antarctica is essentially a desert. The average yearly total precipitation is about two inches Although covered with ice (all but 0.4% of it, ice.), Antarctica is the driest place on the planet, with an absolute humidity lower than the Gobi desert.

Quotes from (All emphasis added)
GOP Candidates Betray the Spirit of Reagan on Immigration by Daniel Griswold This article appeared on National Review (Online) on January 3, 2012.
Driven by a minority of activists in their party, the candidates have been drawn into an unhealthy competition to see who can sound the harshest in cracking down on low-skilled illegal immigrants from Latin America.
The party is losing out because the rhetoric brings us no closer to actually solving the problem, while driving away voters crucial to the party's long-term success.
Conservatives should be friendly to immigration, and the first to seek expanded opportunities for legal immigration. Immigration has been integral to America's free and open economy. Immigrants embody the American spirit. They are self-starters seeking opportunity to support themselves and their families in the private sector.
Current immigration is driven largely by demand and supply. Immigrants come when there are jobs available that not enough Americans are able and willing to fill.
Immigrants stimulate job creation for natives by promoting investment, creating new products and services, and increasing demand for housing and other goods. Immigration keeps America demographically healthy.
Study after study confirms that immigrants help to boost the productivity and incomes of native-born Americans.
A 2009 Cato Institute study by Peter Dixon and Maureen Rimmer calculated that legalizing low-skilled immigration would boost the collective income of U.S. households by $180 billion per year.
A new American Enterprise Institute study by Madeline Zavodny finds that an increase in visas for both high-skilled and less-skilled foreign-born workers actually creates a net increase in jobs for native-born workers.
If legal immigration were expanded, the kind of workers now sneaking across the border illegally would instead enter legally through established ports of entry. With far fewer workers entering illegally, the Border Patrol and local law-enforcement officers could concentrate their resources on apprehending real criminals.
Immigrants come to America to work, not to live off the welfare state. Their labor-force participation rates exceed those of native-born Americans.
Critics of immigration routinely exaggerate the cost of emergency-room care and public education for immigrants and their families. The cost of government services used by illegal immigrants is a small fraction of what government spends on middle-class entitlement programs, corporate welfare, and farm subsidies.
If conservatives are worried about social spending on immigrants, their aim should be to wall off the welfare state, not our country.
The demeaning rhetoric about unauthorized immigrant workers that emanates from conservatives is interpreted by many Hispanic citizens as a putdown of their culture. Republicans thus risk alienating potential Hispanic supporters, as well as more moderate non-Hispanic voters.
Spending billions more each year to enforce a fundamentally unenforceable law is not the conservative answer to illegal immigration. Immigration law needs to be changed in a way that better serves our economic needs, protects our security, and affirms our best values as a nation.
Canada has more lakes than the rest of the world combined. Canada is an Indian word meaning ' Big Village.

Woodward Avenue in Detroit, Michigan, carries the designation M-1, so named because it was the first paved road anywhere. 
Audio/VedioViews Ron Paul: Mitt Romney is a Serial Flip-Flopper & Part of the Status Quo This interview was conducted just before the Iowa Caucus.
Damascus, Syria, was flourishing a couple of thousand years before Rome was founded in 753 BC, making it the oldest continuously inhabited city in existence.
Istanbul, Turkey, is the only city in the world located on two continents.
More LibertyViews: Just a headline, a grabber and a link.
From democracy to dictatorship by Becky Akers . 01/05/12
"With this legislation, America joins some of the modern world's most brutal dictatorships where people disappear.
Santorum's big-government conservatism Cato Institute by Michael D. Tanner
Santorum is deeply conservative on social issues. On size-of-government, Santorum's record is much weaker. 01/04/12
The Ron Paul precedent by Justin Raimondo
"At every debate, and every campaign appearance, Paul is transforming the discourse.." (01/06/12)
The justice of economic efficiency by Hans-Hermann Hoppe Ludwig von Mises Institute            "The central problem of political economy is how to organize society so as to promote the production of wealth, and to make it a just social order. (01/05/12)
The Brutality of Immigration Enforcement by Anthony Gregory
Independent Institute        A fifteen-year-old Dallas girl was deported to Colombia. She spoke no Spanish and they didn’t check her fingerprints. (01/04/12)
There are no natural lakes in the state of Ohio , everyone is manmade.
The smallest island with country status is Pitcairn in Polynesia , at just 1.75 sq. miles/4,53 sq. km.


Obama regime sets up new hotline for immigration abductees CNN
"In the latest volley between the federal government and states pushing
anti-illegal-immigration laws, the Obama administration announced Thursday
it was establishing a new hotline for immigration detainees who feel they
'may be U.S. citizens or victims of a crime.' The 24-hour-a-day, 7-days-a-week
hotline is part of a 'broader effort to improve our immigration enforcement process and prioritize resources to focus on threats to public safety...'" (12/29/11) Read the FULL ARTICLE at,
The first city to reach a population of 1 million people was Rome , Italy in 133 B.C.  There is a city called Rome on every continent.
Siberia contains more than 25% of the world's forests.
IA: Thorsen faces discipline after Paul rally speech Fox News
"Ron Paul boasts that he gets more fundraising dollars from military members than any other Republican presidential candidate, but the enthusiastic support of one enlisted man could get the supporter in trouble. Cpl. Jesse Thorsen spoke at Paul's post-Iowa caucuses rally ... But Thorsen, 28, a reservist who preceded his appearance at the rally with an interview on CNN, was wearing his fatigues, and that is a violation of military code." (01/05/12)
In the Sahara Desert , there is a town named Tidikelt , Algeria , which did not receive a drop of rain for ten years.
Technically though, the driest place on Earth is in the valleys of the Antarctic near Ross Island. There has been no rainfall there for two million years.[How do they know that?]
LA: Inmate pleads guilty to threatening president Las Vegas Sun
"A 25-year-old inmate at a federal prison in Louisiana has entered a guilty plea to making threats against President Barack Obama and his family. U.S. Attorney Stephanie A. Finley said Thursday that Carlton Norah entered the plea before U.S. District Judge Patricia Minaldi to one count of making a threat against the president. A sentencing date has not been set. He faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine." (01/05/12)
The deepest hole ever drilled by man is the Kola Superdeep Borehole, in Russia . It reached a depth of 12,261 meters (about 40,226 feet or 7.62 miles). It was drilled for scientific research and gave up some unexpected discoveries, one of which was a huge deposit of hydrogen - so massive that the mud coming from the hole was “boiling” with it.
More NewsViews Just a headline, a grabber and a link..
US: Private hiring soars; seasonal issues cloud gain Reuters [UK]
December job tally of 325,000 surprised economists who had expected a gain of roughly half that size. (01/05/12)
FL: GOP proposes felony charges for abortion doctors The Raw Story (01/05/12)
Rep.Charles Van Zant, R-Palatka, House Bill 1151 would shutter all abortion clinics and criminalize almost all induced abortions."
NV: "Bunny Ranch" sex workers endorse Ron Paul The Raw Story
Workers at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch brothel told KRNV that they are endorsing Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. (01/05/12)
The water of Angel Falls (the World's highest) in Venezuela drops 3,212 feet (979 meters). They are 15 times higher than Niagara Falls .
Chances that a road is unpaved in the U.S.A : 1%, in Canada : 75% 
WordViews by Walt Clark
milieu \meel-YUH\ noun: the physical or social setting in which something occurs or develops : environment, as in, “the quiet suburban neighborhood was the perfect milieu for raising a family.”
·       culture is the totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought whereas milieu is the physical environment that affects that behavior pattern.
·       society is usually interchangeable with the word culture but is less all encompassing stressing the social relationships among human beings.
·       morés is less philosophical than culture and the sound of the word suggests that the important thing is there is a list of moral rules.
·       gestalt is like milieu, in that there is a physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration of elements but with a rather esoteric emphasis on the unification of the all the elements which is more than a sum of its parts.
·       zeitgeist is the general intellectual and moral state or temper, characteristic of society. What distinguishes zeitgeist from the others is that it is a description of society of a specific period of time.
This week’s words are aspects of human beings that make us different from animals. We make the environment, and we live in that environment. This environment is both physical, as in milieu, and interpersonal as in society. For me and perhaps most libertarians the ultimate question about human action is whether government is the skeleton upon which society is built upon, or whether it is a parasite that shows up to fill a paternalistic need we humans have. Can you have a little bit of government, or does it have to be completely eliminated? For Democrats, I believe the ultimate question is about human conflict in class struggle. Where do we draw the line so that the rich and well-born can have a certain degree of freedom to make the economic engine work. But for them, that engine’s purpose is to provide for everyone else. For Republicans, it may be for society to return to a zeitgeist they remember in their youth. One interesting feature of Republican zeitgeist is that the only requirement is that the moré be old.  Socialized education for young students has been around (for them anyway) since forever and socialized retirement plans for old people that are poor is a sacred right for them.

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chuckest said...

If you post a comment click on "Name/URL". Make-up any Name you like, and use that same name each time you comment.

Please avoid Anonymous. Thank You

chuckest said...

A4 Comments of Jan 7 were deleted. We will gladly discuss and debate his comments by e-mail or phone.

The Liberty Views blog is here to promote Liberty.

I have invited A4 on multiple occasions to a personal conversation and or debate. I make the same offer now. My e-mail is

Anonymous said...

"The Liberty Views blog is here to promote Liberty"

How does it promote "Liberty" by deleting legitimate comments that I made about the Ron Paul candidacy and about our political system in general? If you promote "Liberty" you would follow the ideals set forth in the First Amendment of our sacred Constitution. So please don't use the "Liberty" word in vain.

chuckest said...

Hello A4,

I have done nothing to limit YOUR liberty. You are free to create a "" website, It is free. (When you do, send me a notification.)

I will gladly interact with you by personal e-mail or phone. You seem like a studied person. I personally think you might gain from exposure to some more enlightened thinking.

However, I am not going to subject my mailing list to misconceptions you may harbor.

I will continue to let you post when you respond, to correct facts.

Anonymous said...

"However, I am not going to subject my mailing list to misconceptions you may harbor"

In a free society that espouses "Liberty" people debate the issues to clear up any misconceptions.

chuckest said...

Hello A4, You said, "In a free society that espouses "Liberty" people debate the issues to clear up any misconceptions." I agree completely. Send me an e-mail and we can debate until the end of time. Or create your own website and make your assertions and I will point out your errors.

Anonymous said...

Mr. McGlawn,

When you create a public blog is it your purpose to force your opinions on others without debate -or to fuel public discussion?

Your censorship practices seem to support the former.

Just be honest with us. That's all.

It might be better for you to get rid of the discussion board.

Just make it a one-way road for communication if that's what you desire.

chuckest said...

I have been doing The Liberty ViewsLetter since 01/01/2005. I started with 205 subscribers. I built it with phone calls and personal contact to about 850 subscribers. Over the six years that we never missed a Saturday deadline less than 2% of the content was personal opinions from me.

I have never sat myself up as the authority. I Chose commentary articles from rliable sources, introduced them and provided a link to the full article. I did the same with liberty significant News Articles.

Sometime in 2006 I started the Liberty Views Blog. For five years I posted only 32 Articles, all by me covering fewer than 10 topics.

Until 01/01/2012 everything on the Liberty Views was me, and whomever the blog attracted. Under that paradigm I would have permitted any opposition posting, as long as they stuck to the subject, and didn't launch personal attacks.

Then in January 1,2012 I converted the Liberty Views into the Liberty ViewsLetter using the old format. At that time I invited my mailing list to partake of the Liberty ViewsLetter in the blog.

Under this paradigm I have an obligation to meet a minimum standard of content. Now as Publisher and Editor I will delete anything that I think deminishes the effectiveness of the Liberty ViewsLetter.

I may be wrong in that decision, and would like to hear from othe readers.

Anonymous said...

I actually like the format of your ViewLetter and find it very informative and entertaining.

Naturally it is your ViewsLetter and you have the right to manage it however you see fit. It is my personal belief that all willing participants should be allowed a voice - as long as what they post is not obscene or completely off topic. But people certainly have a right to be inaccurate in their comments. It is the job of other posters to correct their errors.

You run a tighter ship than most large publications. A smaller publication like yours should be more lenient in your guidelines.

I just happen to vigorouly disagree with your position on illegal immigration. I find most of your other positions very sensible.

I commend you on your ViewsLetter. If more people knew about it you would probably have many more subscribers.

chuckest said...

Disagreement, I invite. Bringing into question the sum total of my whole life is not something that can be covered in a "Reply to a disagreeing comment". Personal attacks are off base, not because I cannot defend myself, I just do not want to defend myself on my forum.

I have reached out to you several times. If you are a consistent advocate of liberty, you are invited to make a contribution to the Liberty ViewsLetter.

Anonymous said...

Mr. McGlawn said:

"Bringing into question the sum total of my whole life is not something that can be covered in a "Reply to a disagreeing comment"

Oh stop being melodramatic and overexaggerating. I merely stated that I consider anyone with such a sympathetic and supportive viewpoint toward illegal immigration as unpatriotic. Patriots don't encourage foreign invasions. Patriots defend their nations from foreign invasions. That is universal truth from the days of Adam and Eve.

chuckest said...

That was not the post that called into question my whole life. And it wasn't just your comments about my life that I did not want posted. You covered things I do not want associated with the ViewsLetter. My reply to the post I deleted was, "I wrote a full page reply...

Your justification for closed borders is as baseless as the theory that the Sun orbits the earth. But, the the fact that the earth orbits the Sun is counter intuitive.

Anonymous said...

Congress has a voter approval of about 9%. The CA State legislature has an approval rating of about 13%. Yet in 2010 virtually all the incumbents were relected to the State legislature and the overwhelming majority were relected to Congress.

Ron Paul raised $34M for his 2008 run for the Presidency - second only to John McCain - and only accumulated 35 delegate votes from a total of about 2400. Far, far behind McCain, Romney and Huckabee.

Anonymous said...

You can edit or delete my posts, Mr. McGlawn.

But you cannot edit or delete the TRUTH!

The TRUTH will always remain the TRUTH regardless of what you do or say!

chuckest said...

What truth? You have not presented any truth. You see the world through anti immigration eyes.

chuckest said...

Tell me A4, how is wealth created. How are jobs created?

chuckest said...

And I was hoping you actually knew the answer to, "How is wealth created. How are jobs created?"

Maybe you can answer this, What is the difference in an illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant when they take a job?

Anonymous said...

"Maybe you can answer this, What is the difference in an illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant when they take a job?"

What's the use of answering your questions if everytime I reply you edit, delete and/or censor my comment?

We KNOW who the LEGAL immigrant is. We KNOW his criminal history. We KNOW his state of health and whether he has any communicable disease. We KNOW what his skills are. We KNOW that he will become part of the system and pay taxes and NOT steal identity to obtain a job. We KNOW that he has the wherewithal to purchase his medical care - so that he would not leech off the taxpayer at the local emergency room. We KNOW he will drive a car only after being properly tested, obtaining a license and purchasing auto insurance and, therefore, will not place INNOCENT CITIZEN MOTORISTS at heighted risk for injury and/or financial harm.

There, that's for starters, Mr. McGlawn. Let me know if you need more differences. I know dozens.

chuckest said...

My question was, "What is the difference in an illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant WHEN THEY TAKE A JOB?"

I wanted to isolate the difference, if any, in just the impact on labor.

Anonymous said...

"I wanted to isolate the difference, if any, in just the impact on labor"

And that just illustrates your disingenuousness on this particular topic of discussion. Unscreened illegal invaders bring a MULTITUDE of social problems with them when they unlawfully enter our sovereign nation. Social problems that infringe on the rights of natural born citizens. Most nations protect their citizens from such egregious impositions. But our government protects the violator and punishes it's citizens. And those who support such behavior are anarchists.

Anonymous said...

"I wanted to isolate the difference, if any, in just the impact on labor"

The fact is you can't isolate the problems that illegal invaders unlawfully import into our sovereign land. The problems are widespread and pervasive. Attempting to isolate on the labor problem is just another diversion.